It can be interesting to see what discussions evolve from film fans talking about movies. The twitter account for the excellent and well known ScreenRant.com mentioned, mostly in an off-handed way, that he believed Moon (2009) had “unnecessary” use of foul language. I was a bit surprised because I don’t remember there being that much cussing in Moon, and it is a film I’ve seen three times and was selected as our movie of the year. The discussion started the #unnecessarymoviecursing hashtag which ended up being more ironic than anything.
I will be the first to admit that my view on “offensive” language is probably different from most people (and therefore does not often register [I will get into my specific opinion later]), but I think there is still a good discussion to be had about this. What I am wondering is, what do you consider offensive language? At what point does it ruin a film? Those with children, how do you evaluate if a movie is too offensive with regard to language?
I have one rule regarding language that serves me in nearly every situation:
Is the context and intent offensive?
I believe this to be a consistent way to evaluate a movie for it disregards a screenwriter’s style (Quentin Tarantino movies, for example, are all ranked in the top 100 for the most occurrences of the F-Word) and any religious attachment which is a personal belief and has no place in objectively evaluating a film.
To me, the words used in a movie like Bruno (2009) are offensive. I understand what folks say: that the offensiveness is the point because writer and star Sacha Baron Cohen plays an over-the-top stereotype specifically to elicit responses from the “bad guys” supposedly to show the terrible bigotry of these bad people and how unfair and cruel is life. Well, first of all, relentlessly making fun of a person is no way to combat injustice and bigotry. If anything it is going to fuel it, and it is no better than being a bigot in the first place (in fact it is a form of bigotry). Secondly, I don’t buy into the whole idea that it is OK for Cohen to essentially make fun of the same victimized group he is supposed to be helping (read: exploiting) in order to gift the lucky viewer with awareness. Finally, the entire context of the movie is intended to be offensive.
From Bruno:
[Speaking to folks of Arabic descent] “Can I give you guys a word of advice? Lose the beards, because your King Osama looks like a kind of dirty wizard… or a homeless Santa.”
Bruno, though, has 20 F-words. Good Will Hunting has around 150 F-words. Which movie is more offensive?
I realize this example is anecdotal (and my dislike for Bruno personal), but I think examining context and intent works pretty well.
Glengarry Glen Ross has over 100 occurrences of the F-word. Unnecessary? Offensive?
Another point brought up is (for example) Tarantino or Scorsese F-word frequency is un-realistic and therefore unnecessary (doesn’t futher the story, etc.). I get that. But not really. All movies are impressionistic as a vessel for the vision of the director, screenwriter, and sometimes the actor. Everything in a movie is hyper-reality. Each person is entitled to his or her taste, but to call the 250 F-words in Pulp Fiction unnecessary is like saying Poe’s adjectives are unnecessary or Picasso uses too much blue; it’s part of the art – part of the movie – part of the narrative. The F-words used in Pulp Fiction are every bit as essential to Tarantino’s vision for the film and his characters as blue is in Picasso’s Blue Period.
Furthermore, almost none of the explicit language in Pulp Fiction is actually offensive as in intended to offend a person or people. Cussing in general, and the F-word in particular, is most often a verbal exclamation point. That’s a big deal?
I would argue that it is much less realistic for Jake Sulley not to say, “Holy fuck,” or something similar when seeing Pandora for the first time (I mean, he’s a Marine, right?).
A final thought regarding context is exemplified by playing the word substitution game. Is it the word we are offended by or the context? Battlestar Galatica substituted frack in place of fuck and used the former extensively throughout the run of the series. Changing the word is all that matters? So it’s ok for a child to run around say, “Frack you!” to everyone? “You’re a fracking jerk,” is more acceptable than, “I can’t believe I’m a fucking clone?” If it is a religious thing, then someone playing basketball and yelling, “FUDGE,” at every missed shot is not doing anything different than if the substituted word was used. It’s all about context and intent.
We can be raised to believe any word is vulgar. If, while I was raised, I was taught that barn and concrete were the most vulgar words, then I might say to someone I want to rile up, “Barn you, you concrete!” In context that person could possibly take offense to what I said and probably should. However, the words themselves are not vulgar to that person. Why should any word not used in an offensive context be considered offensive?
I am not claming that there is not a point when vulgar language can become overkill. I’ve blurred the lines a little between movies and real life while trying to get across my thoughts, but I fully understand that day-to-day conversation in the real world should not be littered with a continuous train of F-words and other constant cussing. I do think too much is made of it, but societal norms do dictate our lives to a degree and we have to live with that. But we do not have to live with that in the hyper-reality portrayed in our entertainment.
I’ve made the comment before that I would be OK with my child cussing like a sailor if he also never said a hurtful thing to another person. These are my thoughts.
What are yours?


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I completely agree with this. Context and intent are way more important than saying words like F__ and S___ etc because you can be completely offensive without ever uttering a “curse” word. To ignore context, and evaluate the usage of words in a movie based on what the word means by itself, seems petty. So what the FBomb was dropped in certain movies in every other sentence. If it serves the character development, I have absolutely no problem with it.
I think your comparison of Bruno and Good Will Hunting is perfect. There is no doubt in my mind which film is the offensive one, regardless of which had more curse words in the script.
I remember watching Battlestar Galactica and thinking – why not just say F___ , it seems almost pointless to substitute it with a word that sounds just like it, and in certain scenes, did sound like they were using the actual word, and not frack. The intent is the same, and changing the word, did nothing. I would have preferred that they bleeped it rather than coming up with a substitute word.
I go back to a George Carlin routine (and not the Seven Dirty Words) where he was talking about this exact thing. He said that words, in and of themselves, are harmless. He goes on to say that it’s the intent of the user that makes the words bad. We don’t get offended when Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphy, or Chris Rock use the word “nigger” but we do when caucasian comedians use it, for example.
I will say that my own language, when left unchecked, can run a bit sailor-ish, and as a result I don’t tend to notice it as much in TV and film because it’s just there. The US is remarkably puritanical when it comes to language and sexual situations (but the lack of a violence filter is a completely different essay), and while it’s nice to see that basic cable is removing some of those filters it would be nice if it wasn’t still regarded as novelty and “cutting edge.”
Shit happens, as it were, and there’s no reason why we should all maintain the illusion that it doesn’t.
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My thoughts on the Tarantino films: I don’t find his use of cussing offensive, I find it annoying. To me, I feel like I’m wading through chin-deep crap to find the point of the movie and that’s distracting rather than adding to the film. It’s not the word itself that bugs me, it’s how much he uses it. He could be saying “cheese” the whole time and it would still annoy me.
But as for the point of the article, I agree completely. It’s definitely about the context and the intent, rather than the words themselves.
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I’ll be the first to say that using certain language is appropriate in some situations. You don’t have a bunch of construction workers sitting around and when a hot blonde in a mini skirt walks by say “Excuse me, Miss, would you like to join us for some afternoon tea?”
On the other hand, look back to movies made in the 40s and 50s, including those that involved war and characters in other intense, stressful situations – didn’t those films work without a soldier in a foxhole saying “Holy Fuck!”? My point was that there are people who don’t talk like that (believe it or not) and there’s nothing wrong with portraying a character that way (like they used to).
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Yeah, I do understand that – indeed nothing wrong with it. I guess I don’t feel strongly about it and have a hard time registering excessive usage. I do get the point though. I believe it is interesting, the different perspectives.
Thanks for the comment.
Just like with everything else, I think one has to be aware of a proper time, place, and effectiveness of usage.
For example, do you get the point the same if I say, “I hate Sacha Baron Cohen,” as opposed to, “I fucking hate Sacha Baron Cohen,” which, by the way, I do? No. The latter contains an expression of intense loathing, creating a superlative form that tells you in no uncertain terms what I think of that cretin.
One point, however, is that it’s not appropriate for children to run around dropping f-bombs. I did not appreciate being called a bitch to my face by teenagers when I was teaching. That’s why there’s a rating system and parental guidance suggested. Needless to say, there are plenty of other situations when swearing isn’t called for. For some reason, even though they clearly mean “fuck” when they say “frak” on BSG or “frell” on Farscape, they don’t carry the impact of that f-word of f-words, making them suitable for a broader television audience, thereby helping ratings, etc.
That said, I don’t tend to be offended by swearing (raised in a huge military town, I’d have been offended every minute of every day), but like Erin pointed out, it can be annoying when the swearing is gratuitous and overdone. I don’t swear a lot in expressing myself, but that’s a bit to do with my desire to come across as reasonable and inoffensive (stop laughing!), and a bit to do with simply feeling like exercising the rest of my vocabulary.
I agree wholeheartedly. There are movies that, to me, would have less of an impact if not for the inclusion of well-placed and well-time “F Bombs”. You make good points regarding movies that have far less cursing but are far more offensive, based on their blatant disrespect for other cultures. Cursing for the sheer purpose of cursing minimizes the impact of the word. I would encourage all people to regulate their own use of the F-word, just so that, when it is used, it really comes across with the drama that should accompany it. Ultimately, if you want people to really feel it, don’t drop it until you really mean it.
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@drunken_hopfrog Thanks
But I’m not sure to understand the problem?
What does Hollywood have to lose if they clean up their act and remove the swearing? I have yet to hear anyone say I am not going to watch a movie because there is either no swearing OR not enough swearing in it. 99% of swearing is for uneducated people who don’t have the brains to think of an appropriate adjective.
The sad fact is we live in a runaway disrespectful.. it’s all about me and screw you society where the morals are non-existent for an increasing percentage of the population. An then the very people who think the it’s just fine to have in-moral behavior/language in movies and that the average Joe talk/act like they have no morals wonders how society has evolved to its current state.
One “gd” should be unacceptable to anyone who believes in God. The 3rd commandment
“You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.”
has no time limit nor was an exception provided in it for Hollywood.
The f-word and excessive use of others will always be offensive to MANY people. Hollywood doesn’t need it to make good movies. Again, I have yet to hear anyone say I am not going to watch a movie because there is either no swearing OR not enough swearing in it.